Atomic City Talk

askwhy Wrote:

Some of the arrests were recent and post-ramsey....

....I guess everyone else is satisfied so we shouldn't wonder why the crimes keep happening. Or maybe you guys don't want any of the criminals to get punished for their crimes...

Finally, you are admitting your own trip and fall here. Have you looked at what the arrests (post-ramsey) were for?

BTW - it's the reason why we have a new DA is because of the reputation that the old DA had. Because of the old DA's record of letting 'em go, the new one is having to build cases from scratch. Geeze! And I'm just doing the short math!

Well, if anyone is interested... here's the sentence Swicegood got..

http://www.oakridger.com/localnews/x8337...aine-cases

Also, the story on the Bell/carjacking case took an interesting turn. It's not posted yet, but according to the print edition of The Oak Ridger, the guy who accused Bell of carjacking him was arrested for filing a false police report. He supposedly loaned Bell his car so that Bell could go buy some cocaine. So now he's in jail and Bell is out after spending 4 days in the pokey. Gee, what wonderful friends these guys must be!

Opus Wrote:

Well, if anyone is interested... here's the sentence Swicegood got..

http://www.oakridger.com/localnews/x8337...aine-cases

Also, the story on the Bell/carjacking case took an interesting turn. It's not posted yet, but according to the print edition of The Oak Ridger, the guy who accused Bell of carjacking him was arrested for filing a false police report. He supposedly loaned Bell his car so that Bell could go buy some cocaine. So now he's in jail and Bell is out after spending 4 days in the pokey. Gee, what wonderful friends these guys must be!

Yep, criminal on criminal crime. That is a little less severe than random crimes. It is not uncommon for drug users to loan a car for a rock. This scenario was in the back of my mind but unlike AW I try not to jump to conclusions.

askwhy you hit the nail on the head when you said BEAMS. This guy doesn't care about anything other than what he can get out of it for himself. He needs to go along with his side kick the city manager.

JustMe Wrote:

There are times that the criminal justice system...Not blaming any particular group as our sentencing laws are what they are...

Here's a cold blooded person who has been arrested over 30 times, spending some time in prison...To bad they couldn't keep him since there are three dead people now (and he basically laughed about it)...At least this didn't happen in Oak Ridge (or the South as someone noted earlier in this thread).

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/08192/896126-100.stm

Why do you folks seem to think this is some sort of recent phenomenon?

Richard Hickock and Perry Smith, "In Cold Blood" Killers, killed the Clutter family from Kansas in the late 1950's while on Parole with a long record. There was no cottling back then, Brushy Mtn. still used the "stap" and worked them in the mines during this time period.

Then, in the mid-sixties Greg Powell, and Jimmy Smith, aka Youngblood killed one cop and wounded another while on Parole from a long prison sentence. In "The Onion Fields" of Bakersfield California after a kidnap.

Both these instances were committed before even Miranda. It happens, no matter the system.

The criminal mind is the real problem, determining who has that problem has yet to be scientifically proven but the closest is Stanton Samenow, "Inside the Criminal Mind"

http://www.enotalone.com/article/4486.html

Most present criminals with this mindset are locked up, but the sentence structure is such that they will eventually be released with the in cold blood or onion field results on ocassion. Prisons can't be built fast enough if as a society we chose to lock every criminal up. That is the reality of scarce resources.

Criminal on criminal crime is not an indication the sky is falling in crime though.

"I have no solution other than to lengthen prison terms and build more prisons..."

Well, at some point you will reach the point of deminishing returns. That is because "we will still have crime" as you say.
The is no economical way to do this, more taxes for this is not the answer.

Folks like AW want answers, think the one they propose is the answer and in fact, may not do anything but increase the taxes with little or no effect.

askwhy Wrote:

If you had paid attention to cracker's posts, you would realize that incarceration of more criminals HAS contributed to the decrease in crime. Say what you will - these guys can't commit crimes while they are incarcerated and they DO commit crimes while on parole, or after they get lenient treatment, so many of us can see which path we should be pursuing. I don't think we have to build that many more cells, just make sure the people who are in the ones we have are those who are preying on innocent victims.

And of course, you have no proposed solutions other that you sit and criticize from the cheap seats.

"these guys can't commit crimes while they are incarcerated and they DO commit crimes while on parole,'

Uh, that is not correct. Prisoners are also charged with Murder, Assault, Possession of Contraband at a Penal Facility, Sexual Assault, and other violent crimes.

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Jacket Wrote:

askwhy Wrote:

If you had paid attention to cracker's posts, you would realize that incarceration of more criminals HAS contributed to the decrease in crime. Say what you will - these guys can't commit crimes while they are incarcerated and they DO commit crimes while on parole, or after they get lenient treatment, so many of us can see which path we should be pursuing. I don't think we have to build that many more cells, just make sure the people who are in the ones we have are those who are preying on innocent victims.

And of course, you have no proposed solutions other that you sit and criticize from the cheap seats.

"these guys can't commit crimes while they are incarcerated and they DO commit crimes while on parole,'

Uh, that is not correct. Prisoners are also charged with Murder, Assault, Possession of Contraband at a Penal Facility, Sexual Assault, and other violent crimes.

I meant they don't commit crimes against the general public. Of course, they do against each other and jailers and staff. And you already said you don't care about criminal on criminal crime.

Why do you refuse to acknowledge that the current revolving door system keeps putting violent felons back out on the street. Swicegood is a good example. He gets 2 felonies with 4-year (concurrent) sentences and 2 misdemeanors and those get suspended to time served - 9 months or so. And he is back out to immediately resume his life of crime - which he does.

I haven't refused to admit that. What I have said is your solution is not viable and it will take somebody smarter than both of us, it such a person exists in your case ( in your opinion), to solve it.

"And he is back out to immediately resume his life of crime - which he does."

Do you have evidence that the above statement has happened? If so you have piqued my interest. If not, well, you're just full of the usual B.S.

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Jacket Wrote:

I haven't refused to admit that. What I have said is your solution is not viable and it will take somebody smarter than both of us, it such a person exists in your case ( in your opinion), to solve it.

"And he is back out to immediately resume his life of crime - which he does."

Do you have evidence that the above statement has happened? If so you have piqued my interest. If not, well, you're just full of the usual B.S.

Well, how long has he been out of jail? He was arrested on May 20th I believe for felony evading, reckless driving, possession, etc. That kind of sounds like resuming his life of crime to me. I am just going on reports of arrests that I see for these guys. I am realistic enough to know that we aren't good enough to be arresting them for every offense that they commit. So my point is that when you have someone committing crimes and being released with little time and they go back on the street to commit more crimes is a bad plan. You apparently differ. The other point is that he is not an anomaly, this happens all the time. Most of the recent roundup people had numerous priors for the same things. I believe Clark when he says these will stick and they are all felonies.

Well, my point is this: you said he was committing new crime. If he is I am interested to know what new crimes he has committed. You don't have that answer, simple speculation. Again, a load of manure.

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Jacket Wrote:

askwhy Wrote:

Jacket Wrote:

I haven't refused to admit that. What I have said is your solution is not viable and it will take somebody smarter than both of us, it such a person exists in your case ( in your opinion), to solve it.

"And he is back out to immediately resume his life of crime - which he does."

Do you have evidence that the above statement has happened? If so you have piqued my interest. If not, well, you're just full of the usual B.S.

Well, how long has he been out of jail? He was arrested on May 20th I believe for felony evading, reckless driving, possession, etc. That kind of sounds like resuming his life of crime to me. I am just going on reports of arrests that I see for these guys. I am realistic enough to know that we aren't good enough to be arresting them for every offense that they commit. So my point is that when you have someone committing crimes and being released with little time and they go back on the street to commit more crimes is a bad plan. You apparently differ. The other point is that he is not an anomaly, this happens all the time. Most of the recent roundup people had numerous priors for the same things. I believe Clark when he says these will stick and they are all felonies.

Well, my point is this: you said he was committing new crime. If he is I am interested to know what new crimes he has committed. You don't have that answer, simple speculation. Again, a load of manure.

Duh - new arrest for crimes on May 20th 2008 was since he got out of jail on previous crimes would be a "new crime". Or, does it have to be this week?

How about since he was placed on probation? That would be a start.

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