Atomic City Talk

"You are obviously not an oil expert either. So you are telling us that increasing our domestic production a couple billion barrels a day has no effect on the price of oil"

WTF? When is our domestic oil production scheduled to produce 2 billion barrels a day? If the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge is opened for drilling for oil in 2008, the estimated peak production would yield, at most, 1.45 *million* barrels a day in 2028. Where, exactly, did you think that the other 1.855 billion were going to come from?

Current oil consumption worldwide is 82,234,918 bbl/day.

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/ene_oi...onsumption


"but your heroes just stated the other day that the saudis increasing their output by half a billion barrels would affect the price? "

You have no idea who my "heroes" are or even if I have "heroes." You just make stuff up, don't you, AW?

"And you don't think reducing our oil needs by 40% makes any difference?"

Yes, of course. I just know it ain't gonna happen by drilling. It will happen by conservation, my simple friend.

"I think the technical stuff just goes over your head. Just threatening to start producing drop the price of oil two days in a row."

ROTFLMAO! You have no clue, do you? You probably also think that St. Ronnie single-handedly brought down the USSR! Must be nice living in such a naive world!

"You do realize that alternative energy such as wind and solar can't supply the base load that we need?"

Of course. That's why I keep repeating the word "conservation" over and over. What part of the word "conservation" don't you understand, little AW?

"You must not have paid much attention to any economics classes on supply and demand which clearly teach that either increasing the supply or decreasing demand affect the price."

Heh. No. I just stayed awake for the section you slept through--the part about inelastic demand. When you explain how the demand of China and India are going away, come back and we can talk, little boy.

"You keep lying about this. Exactly what basis do you have for these assertions? This is just typical of your continual condescending attitude and making idiotic statements that you have zero knowledge of. You are a success because you got a $1000 bonus? My last one was 25 times that much. That is so laughable. I doubt that you make more money than I do, what is your measure of success?"

I'm impressed, AW. Anderson county pays its cops $25,000 bonuses?

LOL! You really expect us to believe such drek?

I love it!

"Please point out where I said that I work for AC"

On the "Need some advice" thread, Ernestine Wrote: "You keep referring to yourself as law enforcement. Are you an officer in the system in this county (which would include Wackenhut)or are you a rent a cop?"

You replied: "yes-no"

So you are either a direct employee of Anderson Co or a Wackenhut employee.

Either way, you are not a practicing engineer.

I don't believe that Wackenhut gave you a $25,000 bonus either.

JM, you're just like AW. You don't understand the issues, so you attack personalities.

*yawn*

"That is the problem with being overeducated and thinking you know more than everyone else."

I'll have to take your word for that one, AW. You obviously consider yourself an authority on the subject.

"You jump to conclusions and never see where you are wrong."

ROTFLMAO! Still projecting, I see.

"In any case the bar was set by Ernestine and jacket so nobody needs to give any personal information about who they are or where they work."

I certainly agree. You have volunteered information about yourself, and you insist on repeating information about me. If you'd like to abandon those practices, you might find others doing so, too.

YAWN!

"Done - it is kinda like teaching a pig to sing anyway."

I'll defer to your greater experience in this field as well.

"But I am sure the other side will claim it won't help for a few years, so we shouldn't even start."

It's already started, AW.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oil_shale_economics

Really, do all your posts have to be so childish?

"If you think that particular comment was childish you are pretty out of touch. Perhaps if you addressed the point instead of always resorting to the insults, you might be better served."

LOL! Pot, kettle, black!

BTW, I didn't insult anyone. Anyone who thinks I insulted a specific person has just got their knickers in a twist.

"I can show you numerous quotes where people in the last few weeks have made the exact comment about not drilling in ANWR or off-shore because it won't help for a number of years"

Yep, Mine among them. It's true. And it has nothing whatsoever to do with oil shale.

"The reality is that we can start gaining benefits from domestic drilling very quickly in some areas, and less quickly in others."

None of them include ANWR. It is a lie to say that drilling in ANWR will have any affect on oil prices for at least a decade, and even then, it will have no significant affect on the price of gas at the pump. Anybody who says otherwise is a fool.

"We are in the situation we are in now precisely because most every politician in the last 50 years has ignored the obvious reality of our energy situation - most because they knew the problem wouldn't hit for a few years.

I can't find anything at all to disagree with in this statement. There are obvious exceptions, such as Jimmy Carter, but he was a clear exception.

"My take is that it is stupid for us to send several hundred billion dollars of our revenue to other countries that hate us when we are perfectly capable of being energy independent if we just had a few leaders with some cajones and foresight."

I agree. But it would be stupid to think that we're sending several hundred billion dollars to countries that hate us. The top ten oil suppliers to the US, in order, are:

Canada, Saudi Arabia, Mexico, Venezuela, Nigeria, Iraq, Angola, Algeria, Brazil, Kuwait,

http://www.eia.doe.gov/pub/oil_gas/petro...mport.html

Although the president of Venezuela may hate the president of the US, Venezuela is a US ally. And although 15 of the 19 hijackers on 9/11 were from Saudi Arabia (none were from Iraq), Saudi Arabia is treated as a US ally.

So where, exactly, are we buying oil from countries that hate us?

"Increasing the world production by 1% is not insignificant"

It is to anyone who has to use oil or gas.

"It is only YOUR opinion and that of your talking points that drilling there will not reduce the price of oil."

Nah. The data all shows this and there are plenty of articles. Anyone who actually knows anything about the topic will alread know this.

"It is certainly obvious that it will decrease our dependence on foreign oil and make our supply more stable"

Not significantly.

"and certainly will not hurt anything and won't even affect the 200 visitor [sic] that go to the other end of the reserve each year."

It will hurt the environment. Whether that is significant depends on your POV, but since it will do nothing to help now or in the next decade, there is no justification for using ANWR as a talking point.

"It is nice to know that on this topic you are the ONLY authority that matters and everyone else is a fool - such an unwarranted high opinion of yourself is a wonder to behold!"

What are you blathering about now, AW?

"I suppose when obama gets elected you will be appointed head of DOE (one or the other)?"

Anyone who would post something like that is certainly becoming unhinged.