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No one is impeding your right to speak. You've already conceded that the whole plastic fetus thing is tacky, and I don't think it has any place at our festival. That's something to be handled at home; my children have all seen the ultrasound images of themselves.
It saddens me that any teen might be compelled to seek reproductive care without their parents' knowledge, but some parents take such a hard line that when the time comes, the child feels like they can't go to their parents -- so they go elsewhere. And it's a good thing they have a place to go, or there would be a lot more teen births, higher risk of STDs, and probably a significant rise in abuse.
Personally, I'm frustrated with the fact that medicine hasn't come up with a transplant alternative. After all, if we can transplant a heart and lungs from one person to another, why can't we transplant a fetus from a woman who doesn't want to be pregnant, to one who desperately does? That would be a far better option for everyone involved. Someday, someone will make it happen. Maybe if some of the money spent on advertising and plastic fetuses was redirected into research, that day would come sooner.
The fetus doll was beyond tacky. I'd heard that there was a large truck driving around Knoxville a few years ago with graphic pictures of aborted fetuses on it; had one of my children seen it, I'd have gone absolutely ape****.
Personally, I'm frustrated with the fact that medicine hasn't come up with a transplant alternative. After all, if we can transplant a heart and lungs from one person to another, why can't we transplant a fetus from a woman who doesn't want to be pregnant, to one who desperately does? That would be a far better option for everyone involved. Someday, someone will make it happen. Maybe if some of the money spent on advertising and plastic fetuses was redirected into research, that day would come sooner.
Who would pay for such a procedure when options already abound and most are free and provide much easier alternatives? With choices like abstinence, periodic abstinence, condoms, the morning after pill, sterilization, and birth control (which is now available in every imaginable format from the 50 versions of the pill, the patch, IUDs, Norplant, sponges, diaphragms, depo vera, diaphragms, rings, etc), it’s hard to believe that abortion occurs as often as it does in this country.
Even if transplanting became an option, I fear that some, perhaps many, would still demand the right to abort since the primary argument is “it’s my body” and since the same opportunity essentially already exists with adoption.
The only sure thing is abstinence. All of the others can still result in pregnancy and if they are using these other methods it is for a reason, unwanted pregnancy. And if using some of these methods and pregnancy occurs there is a possibility of birth defects. I am not promoting abortion just stating reasons why one might still be an option. If you have exhausted all the options you stated you could still had an unwanted pregnancy. Then of course there is always rape and molestation just to name a few other reasons. No woman welcomes an abortion. It leaves scars but sometimes it is the only option contrary to some peoples beliefs. Until you walk in someone's shoes you DO NOT know what you will do. You might think you do but until it hits you between the eyes, you don't.
The only sure thing is abstinence. All of the others can still result in pregnancy and if they are using these other methods it is for a reason, unwanted pregnancy. And if using some of these methods and pregnancy occurs there is a possibility of birth defects. I am not promoting abortion just stating reasons why one might still be an option. If you have exhausted all the options you stated you could still had an unwanted pregnancy. Then of course there is always rape and molestation just to name a few other reasons.
If only these were the only reasons most abortions occur.
Until you walk in someone's shoes you DO NOT know what you will do. You might think you do but until it hits you between the eyes, you don't.
On this we agree. No, YOU DO NOT know until you've walked in someone's shoes.
Personally, I'm frustrated with the fact that medicine hasn't come up with a transplant alternative. After all, if we can transplant a heart and lungs from one person to another, why can't we transplant a fetus from a woman who doesn't want to be pregnant, to one who desperately does? That would be a far better option for everyone involved. Someday, someone will make it happen. Maybe if some of the money spent on advertising and plastic fetuses was redirected into research, that day would come sooner.
Who would pay for such a procedure when options already abound and most are free and provide much easier alternatives?
Many couples unable to conceive on their own would likely be grateful for the opportunity, and glad to pay the cost. And, for the prospective donor, it means not having to carry the pregnancy to term, while allowing someone who wants that experience, to do so.
It would be a more desirable option than either abortion or adoption. And, since we all know that all forms of birth control do have documented failure rates, it seems like something that should be pursued. It provides an "out" for women who don't want to be pregnant, provides an opportunity for those who can't conceive, and doesn't kill anything.
Seems like a reasonable middle-ground proposal that wouldn't offend anyone... except perhaps for the puritans among us that view pregnancy and childbirth as an appropriate "punishment" for having sex for reasons other than procreation.
Where are your stats on convenience abortions? How do you know the circumstances to say they are convenient? As I said before, I assume you are male and until you have a uterus, it is not your choice. I do not deny that it has been abused by some but is a necessity in other cases. For every woman's life it has saved it is worth it. I agree with Cracker, if you want a choice go look at his link.
Many couples unable to conceive on their own would likely be grateful for the opportunity, and glad to pay the cost.
For wanting couples, yes, transplanting would provide a highly desirable alternative. However, I believe the option to “buy” is also already available – do not people enter into agreements where the desiring couples agree to pay for medical expenses, living expenses, travel, etc. for both surrogates as well as unwanted pregnancies? If so, then I’m thinking that the market [for couples with the necessary financial means] has probably already been tapped, though not completely.
And, for the prospective donor, it means not having to carry the pregnancy to term, while allowing someone who wants that experience, to do so.
A perceived benefit by some, I’m sure.
It would be a more desirable option than either abortion or adoption. And, since we all know that all forms of birth control do have documented failure rates, it seems like something that should be pursued. It provides an "out" for women who don't want to be pregnant, provides an opportunity for those who can't conceive, and doesn't kill anything.
Seems like a reasonable middle-ground proposal that wouldn't offend anyone... except perhaps for the puritans among us that view pregnancy and childbirth as an appropriate "punishment" for having sex for reasons other than procreation.
I think that it would certainly provide a better option than abortion, but I doubt that it would significantly affect the number of abortions performed. And I’m certain that it would do nothing to change the law or the minds of those convinced that they have a right to do whatever they please with "their" bodies.
Where are your stats on convenience abortions? ....... For every woman's life it has saved it is worth it.
How many women's lives have been saved? Are you saying that if one woman lived but it cost the lives of a million others that it is worth it?
What you consider a convenience abortion to the mother may not be a convenience but rather a necessity. Yes, I think a woman's right to choose outweighs the father's opinion etc. When we take away the right of people to make their own medical choices we will have a real problem. It is no different than a living will with a DNR. That is a choice and you do not have the right to push a feeding tube on the person or respirator etc. At some point people have to have the right to make choices about themselves and government needs to know their place. This is strictly a moral issue and it is between the person and their God. You are being self righteous and you have no idea why a majority of these women have an abortion. I am pro-choice. Whether I beleive in abortion or not is no ones business but mine and God's. It is not even my spouse's business. It is MY CHOICE. If you want to have to make these tough decisions that I would not wish on anyone then become a woman. I guess you think they make these decisions lightly. As I said it is a decision that follows you for the rest of your life and is not made lightly in responsible women. This is one time where you, as a male, have a right to an opinion but not to a decision. And quit with the if you are pro-choice you are pro-abortion. That statement is ridiculous. That is a pro-lifers way to jusify their stance. I guess it is ok to bomb a clinic to make a point and kill doctors who perform an abortion to make a point. Your pro-life crime is ok right. The end justifies the means, right. Let me ask you something, do you believe in the death penalty?
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Whether I beleive in abortion or not is no ones business but mine and God's.
I forget, what was your stance on consensual, adult incest and bestiality?