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Those demographics can work in our favor, if we let them...

The school board's architectural consultant hired an out-of-town demographics expert to provide advice on future enrollments in the Oak Ridge Schools. In his oral presentation to the school board, that consultant emphasized that "Oak Ridge is starter home heaven."

His point was that this city has a large stock of existing homes in "affordable" price ranges that are destined to go on the market within the next few years (a prediction based on the age of the current owners). He pointed out that it is much easier for young families to buy existing homes than it is to buy new homes because new homes typically cost more -- and it is easier to make a 20% down payment on a $140K home than on a $200K home (the prices were his examples).

He said that affordability and proximity to both breadwinners' jobs (since most first-time homebuyers are two-breadwinner households) are the most important factors in determining where a couple buys its first home.

There was more to his presentation than that (if he provided a written report, it needs to to be widely disseminated, although I'm not sure he put very much in writing), but those were some of the more interesting points...

As for Trader Joe's, the store that I've been to has its own building on a downtown street in one of the older Chicago suburbs. The store is a bit like a Fresh Market or Earth Fare in what it sells (for example, international specialty foods), but the store is smaller than either of those. The smaller size makes it seem more likely that the Oak Ridge market could support one. Notably, their prices are lower than Fresh Market's or Earth Fare's, apparently due largely to Trader Joe's practice of selling private-label products. (It's owned by the family that started Aldi, which has been extremely successful concentrating on private-label products.)

To me, geography (not demographics) looks like the biggest barrier to getting a Trader Joe's here. Trader Joe's doesn't have any stores in Tennessee yet (their closest locations are in the Charlotte and Atlanta areas). Based on where they are in other states, I think it's highly unlikely that they would come into Oak Ridge (or anywhere else in metro Knoxville) until after establishing some stores in the Nashville area. Also, since wine seems to be an important part of Trader Joe's business, it's easy to imagine that Tennessee's alcoholic beverage laws would make this state unattractive for them.
I've already written to Randy and Jim asking for their support of the wine in grocery stores bill. If some of you do too, that ups our chances that it could pass.

Opus, I'm with you on the annoyance at the checkout line; I always put the beer on the checkout line first, so that if they need to call a "code 7" they could go ahead and do so while ringing up the other groceries. Unfortunately, they just set it aside, wait until they've done everything else, then call for help. If they'd somehow flag the lines with underage cashiers, I think all of us who do buy beer would gladly avoid those lines. For whatever reason, the grocers aren't interested in fixing that problem.

Trina, "gourmet" beer is mostly of the microbrew or import variety, like what can be found at World Market, Fresh Market, or Leaf & Ale. What I'd like to order is Young's Double Chocolate Stout, which isn't carried in any of those stores. Tennessee has some convoluted law about certain distributors having exclusive domain in defined geographic areas, and the East Tennessee distributor (Eagle?) evidently doesn't carry it.

I guess when I go to Nashville next month, I'll pick up a case and bring it home. They do have it at The Flying Saucer.

All that said, I end up going without most of the time, because I really despise going to Turkey Creek. For my birthday last month, my friends all gave me beer, so I still have a nice (though dwindling) stash.

But the point (that Cagey has gently herded us back to) is that it's high time that Tennessee changed some of our archaic laws, this being one of them. I'm well aware of the influence of the Goose and the Weasel in the Legislature, but just like the smoking ban, anything is possible.

ORHS 73 Wrote:
"... You just bring up irrelevant stuff to substitute for your inability to argue the actual point.

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[I]t only shows that your reading comprehension is poor.

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[Y]ou obviously know no more about business than you do about research."


Looks like you're back to your old habits, (proper name removed by Big Brother) (aka ORHS 73). I recommend you take your vitriol offline to spare the rest of ACT readers from your boorish, ad hominem attacks.

Other than the liquor store lobby, are there other reasons for us to still have this particular "blue law" on the books? Most of the rest have passed over to "blue" heaven.
deichmans, please don't use proper names. We all use these handles for our own reasons. Thanks.

"I recommend you take your vitriol offline to spare the rest of ACT readers from your boorish, ad hominem attacks."

A reasonable recommendation.

deichmans Wrote:
I haven't been able to find the sponsor of the proposed legislation; Netmom, do you know?


There appear to be several. SB3139 (Ketron) is one, but it doesn't seem to have a House companion.

SB1977/HB1850 would allow the shipment of wine directly to consumers over the age of 21; there are several that seem to do the same thing, but I didn't read the full text to see what the differences are.

"boorish, ad hominem attacks."

LOL! Here's the pot calling the kettle black!

When I come up with some vitriolic or boorish, ad hominem attacks, I'll certainly take it offline. I recommend you do the same with yours, like the one above.

I'm sorry that your ego is too tender and your skin too thin to deal with disagreement, my young friend.
Please tone it down ORHS73. Comments about tender egos and thin skin are personal in nature and need to be left out. Thanks.
Ah yes.... I love it when reasonable people can disagree without being disagreeable...LOL...and it is entertaining too...Well, some of the time.
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