Atomic City Talk

Lets see what Carringer comes up with... He is a straight arrow in my view.

Referees are ushered off the field immediately usually by security and the game administrator to avoid such problems. Referees do not ref. boxing matches between coaches, players and such after the game. The go get their pay check and get the hell out of Dodge.

Good point Jacket. It appears to me that the only folks that could be questioned in an investigation of this sort will definitely be biased. Gonna be tough to really get the truth.

If Stevens did curse the Clinton players and physically push/shove/hit/whatever a Clinton coach....it's time to start looking for another OR head coach. There is NO excuse for that kind of behavior in youth athletics.

For years we have asked parents to chill. When a head coach acts like Stevens, is alleged to have acted, this should be one strike and you are outta there. Immediately. 5-0 season or not.

(BTW I'm an OR graduate...not from Clinton)

Referees were already off of the field at the time. However, 3 OR principals were on the field. From what I saw, 20 feet away, Coach Stephens was definitely out-of-line for losing his cool; regardless of what was said or the motives and actions of some Clinton fans. However, the Clinton assistant coach was very belligerent as well. Honestly, much too much has been made of this. The administrations of both schools should move quickly to do what is necessary to deal with this episode and move on. Canceling the JV/Freshman game last night was not a good move, if the blow up at the end of Friday's game is the real reason. That would have been a good opportunity for grown men to act like grown men.

After doing some checking with folks whose job it is to know, the events as presented by (unnamed) "Clinton High officials" are in dispute. Specifically, the part about cursing at students, but to some degree, what led to the shoving incident as well.

At this point, both Tank and boyfromsi have said that, while something happened, it's been made a bigger deal of than should be.

So, I'm writing this one off to sloppy reporting on the Sentinel's part.

Come on netmom, you want to get to the bottom of the Fellner case, but you don't want to get to the bottom of this? Both involve conductof an OR Schools employee. Our Coach should have sent all of our boys to the locker room, and let our fine ORPD SWAT Team deal with the Clinton Thugs.

Did Stevens get physical or not? That shouldn't be a difficult question to find an answer too. That is if anyone wants to find that answer.
What I'm reading here reminds me of Sgt. Schultz on Hogan's heroes. "I know nothing!"

9ball, I think that's the problem. Most of us didn't see anything -- or nothing beyond a crowd of people on the field. The few who did see something (Tank, boyfromsi, Emile) should come forward to the principal if they have information, because at this point, the Clinton assistant coach is sending his written statement to the newspapers and the only story out there is his.

His story doesn't match up with what others have said, so I'm not prepared to take it for the truth just yet. Did Stevens shove an assistant coach? Or, did the other coach get in his face so close as to physically touch him first, and Stevens pushed him back? Maybe. Is that wrong? I wouldn't think so. But we don't know for sure what happened yet.

So, let's be patient until we have more information. Right now, all we have is one side of the story.

Are the teachers, coaches, administration, etc. held to the same level of conduct that the students are?
Did Stevens shove an assistant coach? Or, did the other coach get in his face so close as to physically touch him first, and Stevens pushed him back? Maybe. Is that wrong? I wouldn't think so. But we don't know for sure what happened yet.
As I understand it, and as my boys have been held to the rules of the administration, shoving back is wrong. In a recent discussion between an administrator and a 5th grader, "Two wongs don't make a right". So even if Clinton shoved first, how can this be justified?
Not that I always subscribe to this line of thinking, and maybe this incident (rightfully so) could/should revise our discipline policy. When is self defense allowed and when is it justified? Never in Oak Ridge schools, that I have experienced. Our policy would punish both the offender and defender. So by Oak Ridge school policy, I would think that if there was shoving, pushing and/or cursing, it is wrong.

Why is everyone so appalled at the thought that there could be cussing and shoving at a football game? It happens on the field and it's called a game. It happens at the Boy's club and it's called coaching. I personally have seen Stanton coach at the Boys Club and can honestly say he would be the last to start a fight. I have witnessed him calm many angry parents down during the heat of the game.