Atomic City Talk

Look for this report to start making waves by tomorrow.

Why would this biased, non-scientific report make any waves? Of course, at least this guy did go to a couple of shows, unlike you. If you read the article, even it states that only 5-10% of all gun sales are at gun shows and that includes sales by dealers. The other interesting fact is that he most likely committed several felonies if he videotaped or photographed at a gun show. If you are as knowledgeable as you claim, you would know what those are. I have been to a lot of gun shows and I have never seen one without cops there. If you or the author actually knew anything, you would realize that it is already a federal felony to purchase a gun out of the state you live in (with a few exceptions). There is no gun show loophole - it is a lie repeated by the anti-gun rights lobbyists and their uninformed surrogates such as yourself.

It is much ado about nothing since there is no gun show loophole and he didn't document illegal activity. I suppose a die-hard liberal might point to California as a good example of how to control your citizens, but many of us see how well that is working for them?

(09-02-2009 07:07 PM)Green Guy Wrote: [ -> ]Why would this biased, non-scientific report make any waves?

Because it does not seem to be non-biased and certainly is scientific. Just because you do not like the fact that guns are sold to criminals through gun shows does not change the facts.

(09-02-2009 08:36 PM)CrackerNation Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-02-2009 07:07 PM)Green Guy Wrote: [ -> ]Why would this biased, non-scientific report make any waves?

Because it does not seem to be non-biased and certainly is scientific. Just because you do not like the fact that guns are sold to criminals through gun shows does not change the facts.

Well, if you had any evidence that that was actually occurring on a widespread basis, then we could talk. Nobody who knows thinks that gun shows are a big source of crime weapons for criminals. It may happen occasionally just like Ted Russell occasionally sells an Explorer to a thug who uses it to commit crimes or to someone who drives DUI and kills somebody. What you want is for the government to have total control of everything.

Of course, if it wasn't for the bleeding-heart liberals whining about taking care of criminal's needs, the criminals would be in jail and not attending gun shows at all. Maybe that would be a better approach?

(09-02-2009 09:42 PM)Green Guy Wrote: [ -> ]Well, if you had any evidence that that was actually occurring on a widespread basis

Read the study... Those states with local control of personal sales insure responsible sales, others, not so much...

(09-02-2009 10:10 PM)CrackerNation Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-02-2009 09:42 PM)Green Guy Wrote: [ -> ]Well, if you had any evidence that that was actually occurring on a widespread basis

Read the study... Those states with local control of personal sales insure responsible sales, others, not so much...

Except for the anecdotal musings, there is no evidence that California has more responsible sales than other states. There is certainly no evidence based on the fact that California has very restrictive gun laws and restriction on legal ownership, yet it is awash with illegal weapons and shootings/murders are very common in places like LA. There are more guns per capita in the freer parts of the country.

When you actually understand that criminals get their weapons through illegal sales/activities and not at gun shows, you might understand that this is much ado about nothing and just an attempt by the Brady Bunch to dupe people into believing it is important. They have proposed legislation to address it which is very draconian, but does nothing to stop illegal sales.

Perhaps you should read the story about where the McNair killer got her gun. She got it from a convicted murderer who should have still been in prison and they broke about 5-6 existing gun laws. That is much more typical than someone buying at a gun show.

I always amazes me when gun proponents run away from responsibility in their dealing with the disposal of their firearms. Having guns wind up in the hands of criminals is itself criminal and the height of irresponsibility.

It is no wonder that the only apparent path to dealing with this problem is more regulations. But the choice is theirs, step up to the plate responsibly or risk having to eat whatever is served.

(09-03-2009 07:21 AM)CrackerNation Wrote: [ -> ]I always amazes me when gun proponents run away from responsibility in their dealing with the disposal of their firearms. Having guns wind up in the hands of criminals is itself criminal and the height of irresponsibility.

It is no wonder that the only apparent path to dealing with this problem is more regulations. But the choice is theirs, step up to the plate responsibly or risk having to eat whatever is served.

It amazes me when people like you continue to lie about this issue when you have no evidence to support your lies. The percentage of the 250 million guns used in crime at all is extremely small. The number of crime guns purchased illegally at gun shows is miniscule as everyone knows.

More gun control regulations will have the same effect as all the current gun control - NONE! Cities like DC and Chicago have proven that strict gun control just makes crime worse and only restricts the law abiding. Sorry that the left just will never understand that. The majority of Americans don't favor more gun control, but enforcement of existing laws. Guess that makes you in the minority once again.

(09-03-2009 10:21 AM)Green Guy Wrote: [ -> ]The percentage of the 250 million guns used in crime at all is extremely small. The number of crime guns purchased illegally at gun shows is miniscule as everyone knows.

And why gun proponents continue to support the transfer of guns to criminals at all is beyond imagination. They will deserve what they get.

(09-03-2009 10:26 AM)CrackerNation Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-03-2009 10:21 AM)Green Guy Wrote: [ -> ]The percentage of the 250 million guns used in crime at all is extremely small. The number of crime guns purchased illegally at gun shows is miniscule as everyone knows.

And why gun proponents continue to support the transfer of guns to criminals at all is beyond imagination. They will deserve what they get.

Nobody supports the transfer of guns to criminals, especially law-abiding gun owners and that won't change regardless of how many times you continue to repeat your lies. We actually support putting criminals in jail where they can't but guns or anything else, unlike your side. You continue to ignore the fact that criminals rarely, if ever, acquire guns in private sales from the law-abiding gun owners. But you never let facts interfere with your postings.